(translated from Hebrew)
Vice Prime Minister and Minister of
Foreign Affairs Tzipi Livni: My thanks to
the Cabinet Secretary.
I will relate to the resolution itself and also
give a brief summary of what preceded it and why,
in my opinion, as I also said today in the
cabinet, the Security Council resolution is good
for Israel and, if implemented, will lead to a
substantive change in the rules of the game in
Lebanon, in the relationship between Israel and
Lebanon.
I am not naive. I do not live only within my
own people. I also live in the Middle East and I
am aware of the fact that not every resolution is
implemented. I am aware of the difficulties, and
despite all this I say with complete confidence
that the Security Council resolution is good for
Israel. With regard to implementation of the
resolution, a great deal depends on the Prime
Minister of Lebanon, Fouad Siniora, and no less on
the international community. Their determination
to genuinely and fully implement its resolutions,
can lead to this regional change that we all
await, and will prevent this resolution from
staying on the shelf as happened, unfortunately,
with previous resolutions on the Lebanese issue,
such as parts of Resolution 1559, and Resolution
1680.
In order to understand the significance of the
resolution and see whether it is really good and
safeguards Israel's interests, we must compare two
different aspects, and I will make these two
comparisons.
One is to look at Israel’s current situation
compared with the political situation that existed
before this resolution was passed and before the
outbreak of hostilities on July 12. And the second
question we must ask ourselves, is whether the
goals that were intended to change the rules in
Lebanon and the relationship between Israel and
Lebanon, as well as the internal situation within
Lebanon, could have been achieved by military
means alone.
As a result of Hizbullah's attack on Israel
from Lebanon on July 12 and the kidnapping of the
two soldiers, one of Israel's objectives, which
Israel will not abandon, is, of course, the return
of the soldiers.
I will outline the political situation in
Lebanon that existed prior to the attack on
Israel: the situation that we saw was that there
was a weak government. Living alongside this
government was a terrorist organization,
maintaining its own army, totally in control of
the entire south of Lebanon, conducting deliberate
provocations against Israel, both against its
soldiers and against its residents, any time it
wanted to heat up the atmosphere, and also trying
to determine and dictate Israeli-Palestinian
affairs.
We saw UNIFIL forces in very small numbers, in
the best case serving as observers but ineffective
in maintaining peace in the region. There was no
Lebanese army in southern Lebanon. Hizbullah was
regularly receiving weapons from Syria and Iran
through Syria, through the border crossings. After
the passage of Resolution 1559 calling for the
disarmament of the militias, we saw a political
process of internal dialogue in Lebanon that did
not produce any results whatsoever. This internal
dialogue was one in which the Prime Minister of
Lebanon held discussions with Hizbullah, but did
not enforce Lebanese sovereignty, and the result
is what led to the attack against Israel.
The political situation at that time is that
there was a resolution lying on the shelf -
Resolution 1559 - calling, in principle, for
enforcement of Lebanese sovereignty throughout
Lebanon and the disarming of the militias. As I
noted earlier, there is a kind of dialogue between
the Lebanese government and Hizbullah and voices
are starting to be heard saying that perhaps
Hizbullah is not a militia as stated in Resolution
1559, and perhaps it does not need to be disarmed.
Afterwards we saw Resolution 1680. This
resolution also examined the failure to implement
Resolution 1559 and stated the need to determine
the border of Lebanon. It also called on Syria to
accept and adopt the resolutions that had been
passed regarding the border between Lebanon and
Syria. Part of Resolution 1680 is also relevant to
the resolution adopted by the government of Israel
today.
As noted, the situation had to change and it
was necessary not only to adopt Resolution 1559 at
the theoretical level, but also to translate it
into action.
Immediately after the outbreak of hostilities
we also set ourselves goals. We asked ourselves
how it would be possible to achieve those pivotal
goals and whether a military process could achieve
all of them.
I am talking about a process that took place
here in the first days after the outbreak of the
fighting, and it became clear that most of the
goals we were setting ourselves could not be
achieved solely through military action. In the
nature of things, we could not bring back the
soldiers by military means, and an effective
deployment of the Lebanese army in southern
Lebanon would require decision and action by the
Lebanese government, not just military action on
the part of Israel. Preventing the transfer of
weapons to Hizbullah is something that the army
can do in the course of combat, but it was obvious
to us that as soon as the fighting ended, the
supply of weapons to Hizbullah would resume, and
it was necessary to make this an achievable goal.
The military action that was needed and was
implemented was to weaken the power of Hizbullah
and pave the way for political processes, to
enable the achievement of the long-term goals that
we set ourselves.
With regard to the proceedings of the Security
Council resolution, it is important to note that
this is not a UN Security Council resolution that
is being forced on Israel. And now we are dealing
with the question of whether we adopt it or not.
It is important to state that, from the beginning,
when we understood that, in fact, these goals had
to be achieved by political means, and because it
was obvious to us that the entire international
community understood the cause of the recent
incidents and that it was necessary to implement
Resolution 1559, we ourselves acted to initiate
the procedures and resolutions that would promote
the goals we had set ourselves.
This work was conducted in the Foreign Ministry
by a team headed by the director-general of the
Ministry, right from the earliest days of the war.
Its practical translation is as follows. First of
all, it must be stated explicitly that the
decision and the need to implement Resolution 1559
appear in Security Council Resolution 1701.
However, we felt that this was not sufficient
because such a resolution had already been passed.
We therefore asked for it to be broken down into
actions to be taken in the field, so if we are
talking about the exercise of Lebanese
sovereignty, we must to see the Lebanese army
moving southward on an immediate and practical
level, because what worries Israel more is,
naturally, what happens in southern Lebanon, which
has become the Hizbullah base from which rockets
and missiles were fired into Israel, without the
Lebanese government even having a foothold
there.
Since it was obvious that the Lebanese
government or the Lebanese army was too weak to
implement this process on its own, we asked for
the involvement of international forces to join
the Lebanese army and help it enforce the
sovereignty of the Lebanese government in southern
Lebanon.
True, the forces we are requesting will be
effective. There was a discussion on the question
of whether these are forces that should come under
Chapter 7 of the United Nations Charter, that is,
forces which have the authority to enforce and not
merely to observe. And this is what we also
requested - that the countries taking part in the
international forces should be NATO members or
countries with experienced armies that will also
be able to fight and use force if required.
In this context, it was clear from the start
that we were talking about a multinational force
with a United Nations mandate, but we requested
that it not come from UNIFIL, with which we are
familiar in the framework of the observer forces.
The discussions produced a result that is
acceptable to Israel. We are not talking about the
UNIFIL forces we are used to seeing in southern
Lebanon and on the northern border of Israel, that
is, a meager force of observers. We will now be
getting an expanded UNIFIL with more people. We
will be getting UNIFIL with a completely different
mandate, which includes the right, the option and
the authority to use force when required, a
mandate that is very similar to resolutions passed
under Chapter 7.
I would like to make it clear that in this
Resolution 1701, as in resolutions passed under
Chapter 7, we see a statement to the effect that
what is taking place in Lebanon is a threat to
world peace and security, and these resolutions,
which relate to bringing in forces and to the
embargo that I will address at a later stage, use
the term to signify enforcement, and not merely as
a call to do something, as we are used to seeing
in resolutions that are based on Chapter 6.
In the same way, the Lebanese government
announced that it would move its army southward.
In this framework, the Lebanese government
announced that it accepted the fact that
international forces of this kind would join the
Lebanese army. So what we are seeing today, after
the resolution has passed - and assuming that
it is implemented - compared with the
situation that existed before, could create a
dramatic change in southern Lebanon. I would like
to remind you that prior to the attack, and for
many years, Israel's only demand was that the
Lebanese government move its army southward, and
what we are getting today is not only the Lebanese
army but also significant reinforcement. I would
like to note that the Secretary-General of the
United Nations, in his speech the same evening
regarding this force, also used terms relating to
an enforcement force and not merely an observer
force, and this is also how the resolution relates
to all its different aspects.
At the same time, a call has gone out today to
members of the United Nations to send the relevant
kind forces, which are capable of enforcing the
resolution, and I hope that we will see this
happening in the near future.
We also requested that there not be a vacuum,
in other words, that there not be a situation in
which the IDF pulls out, leaving a vacuum in which
Hizbullah could return to the same places it had
left or, alternatively, remain in place with
nothing happening. Therefore, as part of the
discussions leading up to passage of the
resolution, it was also clarified, agreed and
accepted by the Security Council that there would
not be a situation in which Israel was required to
withdraw its forces and leave a vacuum, but that
Israel would withdraw at the same time that the
Lebanese army forces moved in, together with the
international force. There should also not be a
situation in which we see a soldier from the
Lebanese army arriving and then we are told to
leave, but rather, if we choose - and the
decision is up to Israel - we will be able to
leave simultaneously with the entrance of the
international forces together with the Lebanese
army.
The second problem that we expected to occur,
one way or another, on cessation of the military
campaign, was a situation in which, within a short
time, Hizbullah would be rearmed by Iran and
Syria, through Syria, so we asked from the start,
at our initiative, for an arms embargo on
Hizbullah. The initiative in this case came from
Israel, and we placed it on the table of the
international community.
Even in the last hours before passage of the
resolution, we wanted to ensure that this embargo
would be enforceable and substantive, preventing
the transfer of arms from these countries to
Hizbullah, in fact, to anyone other than the
Lebanese army. Now the embargo is part of the UN
resolution and the terms and formulation of this
article are acceptable to Israel and express our
opinion - a proper embargo.
Thus, even with a decision or request by the
Lebanese government, it will be possible to
monitor the international borders of Lebanon, not
only by means of the Lebanese army and security
forces but also with the help of international
forces. And it is important to say that, one way
or the other, responsibility has been imposed on
the Lebanese government to ensure that arms do not
enter in order to prevent the rearming of
Hizbullah.
The question has been asked about whether
everything is now dependent on decisions or
requests from the Lebanese government with regard
to the international forces, and it is important
to state something in principle. One of the
problems we have faced in recent years, and we
also saw it in this attack, was the fact that the
Lebanese government does not exercise or enforce
its sovereignty. The concept we want to go with is
that ultimately there will be two countries, one
Israel, and the other Lebanon. Two countries, each
of which understands that being a sovereign state
also involves responsibilities, and that you are
also responsible if you do not fulfill Security
Council resolutions as required. From our
standpoint, any entire process that involves
placing power in the hands of the Lebanese
government so that it can enforce its sovereignty
is a positive one which, of course, creates a
genuine change in the situation in Lebanon.
Additionally, it was important because, as
noted, when a national dialogue took place within
Lebanon it appeared that Hizbullah was beginning
to acquire other, softer names and was perhaps
beginning to be accepted as something that was not
a militia as required and agreed. It was important
to obtain international recognition of the fact
that the start of hostilities was due to the
provocation and action by Hizbullah, which is
mentioned by name in the Security Council
resolution. It is also clear that the entire
process is intended to lead, in the end, to the
disarming of Hizbullah, not just to the Lebanese
army moving southward, not just to an embargo, but
to a process completed by the disarmament of
Hizbullah, as was required from the start in the
previous resolutions, but today we are also
creating the way to enforce this process at a
practical level.
Another thing: regarding the international
force - should it become apparent that the
forces that were decided upon are not adequate,
the resolution opens the way that will allow for
improving the mandate and creating a proper force
so that it will be more effective, with a broader
mandate than this one. This is already determined
in the resolution.
Israel, of course demanded that the kidnapped
soldiers be returned to their families as this was
and still is our goal. During this period, we have
undergone some difficult processes in which there
was a demand to connect the release of our
kidnapped soldiers to the release of Lebanese
prisoners currently being held in Israel We
insisted that there be no connection between these
two matters at any level. We did not feel it was
right, just or ethical from any point of view to
connect these two issues into a single formula.
There is absolutely no equivalence between
soldiers who were kidnapped to Lebanon in an
action that violated the sovereign rights of the
State of Israel within its own borders by a
terrorist organization such as Hizbullah and
prisoners being held in an Israeli prison, some of
whom have been convicted of committing unspeakable
terrorist crimes. We demanded that the
international community stand behind the
statements made on the very first day following
the kidnapping - that the kidnapped soldiers
be released unconditionally. This statement now
appears in the Security Council resolution. True,
it appears in the preamble, which is referred to
as the “declarative section,” but the soldiers are
mentioned as the cause of the dispute for which
the citizens of Israel and some of the citizens of
Lebanon have paid dearly and which created the
urgent need to deal with the factors that led to
the current crisis, including releasing the
kidnapped Israeli soldiers unconditionally.
Israel has no intention of allowing this matter
to remain at the level of a declaration. We will
continue to act to make it possible for us to
bring them home. Here, too, I wish to note the
remarks made by the UN Secretary General on the
day the resolution was passed, when he referred to
the process and spoke of the actions that must
take place between Israel and Lebanon and he
talked about the kidnapped Israeli soldiers as the
starting point for any process that Israel and
Lebanon will engage in.
Within this framework, Lebanon requested, even
demanded, that at some stage the subject of the
Shaba Farms be included and we saw this in some of
the drafts of the resolution. We must understand
that Shaba Farms are located… or that the
boundaries of Lebanon are supposed to be fixed and
this was also established in Security Council
resolution 1680, which we also demanded be
implemented. But the framework in which it is
mentioned in resolution 1680 deals with the
relationship between Lebanon and Syria. This
resolution states that the border must be redrawn
and calls for Syria to adopt the resolution that
was passed. Israel was not involved in that story
and Israel will not get involved in it as a result
of the passing of this resolution.
In the past, in previous drafts placed before
us a week ago, this matter appeared in the
framework of a discussion that needed to take
place, as part of a section dealing with relations
between Israel and Lebanon. Israel insisted that
this subject be removed from the framework of
negotiations between Israel and Lebanon and as a
result of our demands in this matter, it is
mentioned only within the framework of the
implementation of resolution 1680, which, as
previously mentioned, is an existing resolution in
which there is no mention of reopening
negotiations regarding the Shaba Farms.
It is also worth noting that the resolution
ends with the mention of previous resolutions
dealing with the relations between Israel and its
neighbors, including resolution 242, that deals
with a process which, I hope, will eventually lead
to a discussions on a peace agreement between
Israel and Lebanon. We must also see the
explanation given by the USA regarding its vote in
which this article is also noted - Shaba
Farms relates to implementation of resolution 1680
and no more.
This is all I have to say regarding the
resolution.
Since, as I stated previously, the resolution
deals with practical and genuine implementation at
a level of detail that did not exist in previous
resolutions, and with agreements - of the
Lebanese government as well - that we have
not seen before and which we accepted, among other
things, as a result of the processes we conducted
at both the military and political level, there is
a chance of seeing a change in Lebanon, provided
that the international community does not suffice
with the resolution and does not leave it as it
is.
In my estimation, especially due to the events
of the past month, the international community as
well as the Lebanese government understands that
Israel will no longer accept a situation whereby a
terrorist organization sits on its border and
fires Katyushas at Israeli citizens or,
alternatively, attacks Israeli soldiers whenever
it wants to. So as I stated earlier, in comparing
the political situation on the day before and the
chance that this resolution will change the
situation in Lebanon, with the goals we set for
ourselves here two days after the beginning of the
conflict and what we hope to achieve following
termination of the military operation, without
addressing the question of when and how it will
end, we have attained most of the goals in the
Israeli initiative which, in effect, we placed as
the first draft on the table of the international
community.
This process was not simple and I will repeat
here what I said previously - a summary of
previous chapters. About a week ago, a
French-American draft resolution was publicized.
We must also remember that only a week before
there was an American initiative that was designed
to create agreements and lead to a resolution in
the Security Council. As a result of the event in
Kafr Qana, there was a regression in the
situation, the Lebanese government also withdrew
its acceptance and, in effect, the French
resolution began to gain momentum which ultimately
became a joint American-French resolution.
Resolution 1701, which was passed, is far
better than the one previously proposed by the
Americans and French, and I will explain why. The
American-French resolution contained the right
words and, on a declarative level, included
everything. The problem was that it spoke of a
process that included two resolutions - the first
was primarily declarative and only the second part
dealt with practical matters that also included
the placement of international forces.
According to that resolution a number of
actions needed to be taken by both Israel and
Lebanon and only after these actions were taken
would it be possible to bring in the international
forces and, just to remind you, the Shaba Farms
were also mentioned within this framework. So it
was important to us during this period, and it was
understood by all those who dealt with the matter,
that if we were drawn into a situation of two
resolutions it was possible that the first
resolution would be wonderful from a textual point
of view but its implementation would be delayed
- something nobody wanted. What we are now
seeing is that the part meant to be in the second
resolution was included in the first one,
strengthening it significantly from the standpoint
of the embargo and the international force, and we
still retained the possibility, if needed, of an
additional resolution should we wish to strengthen
the international force. This option actually
remained from the first resolution, but as an
option for the future that we consider
important.
During the past week we had some very difficult
discussions. If last Thursday it seemed that we
were in a situation where the package was one that
we not only could accept but that we wanted to
promote - during the night between Thursday
and Friday, including Friday, we found ourselves
facing the concern that it would be a very weak
resolution, primarily on the matters we considered
important, such as the international force, its
characteristics and its mandate and the matter of
the embargo.
It should be noted that with regard to the
kidnapped soldiers, the positioning of the
statement regarding the need to release them was
the same in all the previous drafts. Also, the
matter of the Shaba Farms was including a manner
that was unacceptable to us and we responded on
Friday that, to our regret, and despite the fact
that we were very anxious to see this Security
Council resolution as one that could change the
face of the situation in Lebanon, we could not
live with the resolution that was about to be
formulated. I delivered this message to the
Secretary of State. At the same time, discussions
were also held by the professional teams since
during the entire period, in addition to those
discussions between myself and the Secretary of
State, a professional team from the office of the
Prime Minister, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
and the Ministry of Defense was dealing with
wording, together with their American
counterparts. Discussions were held by the chief
of staff of the Prime Minister’s office and a very
clear message was given to Steve Hadley, that
Israel could not live with the proposed agreement.
On Friday we had, in effect, reached the
conclusion that this package would not change the
situation in Lebanon and we were not prepared to
settle for statements that were simply words with
no effectiveness.
At the same time, during the afternoon, as you
know, a decision was reached by the Prime Minister
and the Minister of Defense to approve the start
of a military operation and just as it was
starting to go into action late Friday we began to
strengthen the resolution and return it to the
level at which we felt it should originally
be.
Thus if we look at the two parameters that I
previously proposed, one to view the political
situation in Lebanon, and between Lebanon and
Israel, the day before, and to see what the
chances are and where this resolution can lead, we
can - if it is implemented - see a
dramatic change. Can anyone promise us with
absolute certainty that it will be implemented
completely? From the nature of things, no. However
we have a commitment, the international community
has a commitment and from here on in we must see
to its implementation. However, there is no doubt
and I haven’t heard here today, even during the
government’s discussions, anyone who denigrates
the contents and achievements of this resolution
from the standpoint of Israel’s interests.
We must always also remember that there will
sometimes be people who say we stopped the army
too soon. I posed this question at the beginning
of my remarks. There are things that no army in
the world can achieve, certainly not after it has
completed its operation. Preventing the entry of
weapons during regular times and not during a
military operation, the deployment of the Lebanese
army southward and the disarming of Hizbullah is a
process that Lebanon will need to undergo and with
what we have created with the help of the
international community, along with international
pressure, I hope that ultimately we will be able
to see this process commence.
Questions and answers
Q: Madam Foreign Minister, with your
permission, I have two questions: One pertains to
things said yesterday by Nasrallah, that as long
as there is an Israeli soldier on Lebanese soil,
he will allow himself to attack him, and I connect
that statement of his with the letter sent to
Israel by Kofi Annan, in which he pretty much ties
the hands of the soldiers in protecting themselves
while they wait for the multinational forces to
return.
And another question pertaining to the
kidnapped soldiers: Ultimately, when we remember
that this campaign began on July 12th because of
the kidnapping of two soldiers, the draft that was
attained and maybe it was the maximum that
Israel could obtain isn’t it a kind of lip
service regarding the kidnapped soldiers, and
aren’t we throwing it into some future
negotiations which are happening in our thoughts,
but only in our thoughts?
FM Livni: First of all, from our standpoint, it
was the best we could get in the framework of the
Security Council resolution and we insisted that
it was an unconditional demand which, in effect,
connects it to the events that started the whole
conflict. The Israeli government does not intend
to drop this matter. The Prime Minister also
announced today that he intends to handle it
personally, and he will also appoint someone
specially to handle the matter. I also mentioned
Kofi Annan’s words and, incidentally, I also spoke
to him prior to the passing of the resolution so
that it would be clear that this matter - even if
it is in this chapter - is something that Israel
does not intend to drop. In the nature of things,
we will also have to embark on something like a
litigation process and we must remember that the
assets now held by Israel are different than those
we held before the military campaign.
With regard to the first question, I heard
Nasrallah’s statement and I must say that I was
not exactly surprised. I said that there was a
discussion over every word in the Security Council
Resolution. At first they wanted a cease-fire,
which means a retreat of Israeli forces into
Israel. Since we did not want to create a vacuum,
we insisted that the first stage would entail what
is called a cessation of hostilities, meaning that
in this case Israel, or the Israeli army, would
remain where it was and not retreat unless Israel
should decide to do so for its own reasons. But it
is not required to do so according to the Security
Council resolution.
The first draft that they proposed, which was
placed on our table - we told them that we were
not prepared to accept it precisely for the reason
that you raised. The first discussion was about
the fact that the cease-fire would relate to
Hizbullah’s shooting attacks on Israel. In other
words, the first proposal was that in this
situation, Hizbullah would cease firing missiles
and the implication was, even though it was not
stated, that it had permission to attack the
army.
Every Israeli soldier has the right to fight,
to protect himself, to protect his homeland, and
that is a right granted to every country and every
soldier, so Israel does not intend to accept a
situation in which its soldiers become sitting
ducks. We have no intention of doing that. I gave
you the entire description before you stopped me,
in order to explain that we worked hard on the
wording, so that it would be clear that we had no
intention of accepting it.
Q: Minister Tzipi Livni, the fact that the
Lebanese army is weak, and I am amazed at the fact
that if you know just how weak it is, how, in this
document, can you give it such enormous
responsibility, to prevent the transfer of the
weapons, the responsibility of deploying across
all of southern Lebanon and maybe they will do the
work that the army did not get to do, to dismantle
all of Hizbullah’s armed bunkers. All of this you
are dropping on this weak army, which is also
being reinforced by a force that is weaker than we
wanted. So I am asking: what is the basis for the
optimism? There have already been agreements of
this type that required the Lebanese army to do
things in the UN. Every day we quote the number
1559, in other words, this army has not proven
itself in the past and even the international
community, which passed such a resolution, has not
proven that it can enforce it. And further in the
matter of the kidnapped soldiers - the fact that
you succeeded in separating it into two articles
is almost, I would say, a bad joke. It is clear
that there will be negotiations. It is clear that
we will give something in exchange for the
kidnapped soldiers and it is clear that this is
not what Israel wanted from the start. And with
regard to the Shaba Farms, the fact that it is
mentioned in the agreement at all - why did it
have to be in this resolution, to give some kind
of victory, even a symbolic one, to those who
started the attack on us?
FM Livni: I will answer your last question. We
are talking about a Security Council resolution.
Security Council Resolution 1680, which we say
should be adopted and implemented – by the way,
this resolution actually deals with the
implementation of Resolution 1559 – determined the
need to establish a new border with Lebanon, not
only in the context of Shaba but in the context of
Syria and Lebanon. It is true and no secret that
it was not Hizbullah that asked to include Shaba
in the current Security Council resolution, but
actually the Prime Minister of Lebanon, who
claimed – a claim that I do not accept – that
including the Shaba issue in this framework would
in effect take away Hizbullah’s raison d’être.
This is a claim which he repeatedly promoted in
the international community and in the media,
unconnected with the July 12th attack, asking that
this issue be settled so that Hizbullah would not
be able to present itself to the Lebanese public
as Lebanon’s protector.
Israel has announced that, even if this claim
had merit, there are circumstances in which Israel
will not agree to discuss Shaba, and these are
exactly the circumstances and the reasons that you
gave, namely in order not to create a situation in
which Israel would agree, explicitly or
implicitly, to the transfer of territory as a
result of provocation against Israel. Therefore,
although Shaba was included in the past, Israel
insisted that it be removed from the context of
the current resolution as an issue between Israel
and Lebanon. Thus, in Resolution 1701, it appears
only in the framework of the implemention of
Resolution 1680 - which, along with Resolution
1559, I, and all of us, have said must be
implemented.
Resolution 1680 in any case includes the
establishment of a new border for Lebanon,
including the Shaba Farms area. Israel has
therefore made it clear, as was also made clear by
the United States in the explanation of the
resolution, that this is an issue to be decided
between Lebanon and Syria. Israel did not agree,
nor hint, explicitly or implicitly, in any other
way, to an agreement to discuss this issue subject
with Lebanon, in the current situation, at this
stage, and as a result of the recent events.
We can assume that this subject will be brought
up again in the future by the Lebanese government.
The Lebanese government wants very much to set its
border, and wants Shaba to be included within its
border. To date, Syria has not agreed to this, and
the attempt to place it into the current
framework, as a Lebanese-Israeli issue, is in our
view not correct - mainly because there is
significance to the timing and to the context.
Concerning the Lebanese army: We had to make a
fundamental decision. One possibility was to say
that the Lebanese army is weak, the Lebanese
government is weak, and therefore the IDF would
conquer Lebanon - something that is of course
unacceptable. And even then, you cannot take the
place of the Lebanese army.
Another possibility is to come and say, we want
to see a future situation in Lebanon in which
there will be one government and one army, one
sovereignty. Up until this resolution and up until
a week before the resolution, not only did its
army turn out to be weak, the Lebanese government
refused to accept the UN resolutions. We cannot
ignore the problematic fact that Hizbullah, in
addition to maintaining a separate army, is also a
political party and plays a role in Lebanese
politics.
Therefore, the improvement in the situation
today is first of all the resolution itself, and
the fact that the Lebanese army will deploy in
southern Lebanon. Although in our view this is not
enough, and despite all the discussions held by
the Israeli government on this subject, until the
current crisis, it was decided that Israel should
demand only that the Lebanese army deploy in the
south, knowing that while the army is perhaps
weak, at least it is the army of the government of
Lebanon and not Hizbullah.
We have today "taken advantage" of the
situation which has evolved, in order to demand
the inclusion of something that previously was not
demanded of Lebanon, and was not part of
Resolution 1559, namely to add international
forces to the Lebanese army in order to strengthen
it. But the entire concept behind this is to
create in Lebanon a state, with the
responsibilities of a state, with a government
that is responsible for what happens on its
borders.
I said before: I am not overly naïve, but I
believe that we have here the possible beginning
of a process that Israel has waited many years to
see. Skeptics or cynics can come and say: OK, so
we have another resolution. One could say that
about anything. But at the moment, what we have to
do is to adopt the right decisions and then demand
that they be implemented. After all, you can’t
say, “I don’t support the resolution because it
won’t be implemented.” I support this resolution
because it must be implemented. Resolution 1559,
which unfortunately remained on the shelf and was
not translated into action, determined that the
Lebanese government should realize its
sovereignty. There are actions that we now have to
see happen, following the decision by the Lebanese
government to send its army south, having already
agreed that an international army would join it.
It is true that we wanted an international
force with a UN mandate and not UNIFIL. What we
got UNIFIL is with a different mandate, with
different forces, with different states - a kind
of compromise that in my opinion is very
appropriate, considering where we started and what
we wanted to achieve. There are those in Israel
who criticized this. There are those who thought
that Chapter 7, which I wanted applied to the
entire resolution, should not be included, so we
got 7 minus. We got an arrangement that we like
less, but with different content and with the
possibility, should the force prove ineffective,
to request another resolution based on Chapter 7
which would broaden the force’s mandate.
Q: [inaudible]
FM Livni: I will relate to the content of the
resolution with reference to the international
forces. First of all, from the beginning, the
preamble to the resolution welcomes the commitment
of the Lebanese government to a beefed up UN
force. In other words, it is clear that this is a
different force, enhanced in numbers, equipment,
mandate and scope of action. Thus, we know already
from the preamble that this is an enhanced force
with a different mandate.
After that, beyond the additional demands of
full implementation of all the articles and the
demand that there will no weapons and no other
authority in Lebanon other than that of the
government of Lebanon, we see security
arrangements that include an area free of armed
personnel, assets, and weapons between the Blue
Line and the Litani River, and establishes an
embargo, we proceed to a description of the
force.
Paragraph 11 of the resolution decides to
supplement and enhance the force in numbers,
equipment, mandate and scope of operations,
authorizes reinforcement of the UNIFIL forces to a
maximum of 15,000 additional troops, in addition
to the soldiers to be sent by the Lebanese army.
And now there are several descriptions of what
this force is supposed to do: monitor the
cessation of hostilities, which is the first stage
that we are entering into now; accompany and
support the Lebanese armed forces as they deploy
in the south, including along the Blue Line, with
the withdrawal of the Israeli army; coordinate its
actions with the governments of Israel and
Lebanon; assist humanitarian activities which is
less a demand of ours; help the Lebanese army take
steps to establish the area, as described in
paragraph 8, the area free of armed personnel,
assets, and weapons, between the Litani River and
the Blue Line. The international force will have
to help the Lebanese army free the area of arms,
and assist the Lebanese government on its request
- here an additional request by the Lebanese
government is needed for implemention - in
supervising international passageways for the
purpose of enforcing the embargo.
After that, the next paragraph authorizes the
force to take any necessary action in the areas of
its deployment and as it deems within its
capabilities, to ensure that its area of
operations is not utilized for hostile activities
of any kind, to resist attempts by forceful means
- which is something you don't usually find UNIFIL
doing - to prevent it from discharging its duties
under the mandate of the Security Council, and to
protect United nations personnel, facilities,
installations and equipment; and to ensure the
security and freedom of movement of UN personnel
without prejudice to the responsibility of the
Lebanese government, to protect civilians under
threat.
The resolution goes on and asks the Secretary
General to urgently take steps to ensure that
UNIFIL is able to carry out the functions
envisaged in this resolution. I remind you that
the Secretary General already the same night
addressed the issue of the force’s effectiveness
and appealed to the member states to send forces,
because we asked that additional states send
troops and not only the states whose armies are
part of UNIFIL.
Paragraph 16 expresses the intention to
consider in a later resolution further
enhancements to the mandate and other steps to
contribute to implementation of a permanent
ceasefire and a long-term solution. I won’t go
into detail, but we have here a declaration of
intent.
We should remember that the resolution from
which we started two weeks ago included at first
only declarations. This has now been fleshed out
with actions, with an opening to the future.
Q: [Regarding the letter from UN Secretary
General Annan]
FM Livni: You asked me a specific question
about the letter, whether the meaning is that IDF
soldiers will be restrained from responding, and I
answered you explicitly and I think very clearly,
that in our view and also according to
international law, since the issue is cessation of
hostile acts, in the event that one side does not
stop them, then we would have to protect our
forces and the intention is not that they would be
restrained from doing so. Since Israel also asked
for time until the cessation of hostilities enters
into force, and we announced on Friday evening,
also to the UN, that we need more time before our
final deployment, there are a lot of technical
issues between the IDF and the UN on this.
Q: Could you define please the object of the
military actions at the moment? There are hundreds
of thousands of family members asking themselves –
what is this for, really? Is the goal to achieve a
few more objectives, which is a legitimate goal if
that is what is decided, or is the purpose only to
secure positions that are important to us and that
afterwards we will evacuate close to the arrival
of the Lebanese and UNIFIL forces?
FM Livni: The army asked to situate itself in
positions that would enable it to better defend
the soldiers at the time, and, if there was not an
immediate cessation of hostilities, the situation
in the field when the [Lebanese and international]
forces arrive would be better. In any case, Israel
will withdraw from any position it is
in.